Lyman 457132

[Kurt]

kurt,
"the grass grows greener on the other side", or does it?
bruce.

Bruce one will never know if they don't look.

[rdnck]

bruce--The 457121 is an outstanding hunting bullet, and I have taken a great deal of game with it, both in the U. S. and Africa. However, if you find yourself facing something really big, or really tough, I would prefer the Lyman 457125 Govt. bullet. I have had the 121 fail to penetrate in a straight line and veer off course three different times, and have seen it happen once. The Govt. bullet ALWAYS penetrates straight, and I have never recovered one from an animal. I saw a friend of mine shoot a 3 year old bison, about a 1750 pound animal, square in the chest at 100 yards with the Govt bullet, and the bullet was found in the pelvis after 72 1/2 inches of measured penetration. I shot a black wildebeast in the ham on a finishing shot several years ago with the same bullet, and shot all the way through the animal lengthwise, as it exited the chest.

The Gould is devastating on smaller deer sized animals, maybe even elk. But it does NOT penetrate with the 121 or the Govt bullet, and WILL NOT penetrate through both shoulders of a big, mature boar hog, as the hog carries a gristle shield over his shoulders that in some cases can exceed 2 inches in thickness. I tell you this because I know you have feral cattle and buffalo Down Under that require a bullet that kills and above all, penetrates. I would feel comfortable with the Gould on most animals up to 200 or so pounds, but not on hogs. Shoot straight, rdnck.

[Kurt]

I'm not looking at the short 121 for a hunting bullet that is what my .44-77 is for. I want this short 121 for the lever gun side matches and I think it will be perfect for that game.

[bruce moulds]

kurt,
we are tarred with the same brush. fun aint it.
bill.
interesting about the relative penetration of those 2 bullets, in a straight line.
possibly nose shape is the issue.
anyway, horses for courses.
the gristle on a pigs shoulders is referred to as fighting pads here.
your description of it reminds me of an incident that happened some years ago when hunting horses.
a pig was spotted, and would normally have been neglected due to the job in hand except for its size.
a 250 gn 338 silvertip despatched it, and the bullet stayed in, the fighting pads obviously having something to do with that.
it had a big set of tusks and grinders, and i still have them, the biggest i have ever seen.
inspection of the pig revealed that it had no knackers
in those days it was a sport to catch pigs with dogs and castrate them, something that could have been in this pigs history.
a lot of guys used the .222 and the .243 on pigs, but i always preferred a .270 or a .308.
a .358 win let me down once with bullet performance on a big pig.
the 450 nitro never failed, but was hard to shoot and just too much gun.
also it was an original rigby double, and deserved to be looked after.
a .577 minie ball, pure lead, driven by about 200 gns of black powder out of a parker hale muzzle loader failed to penetrate a fighting pad at close range. that was interesting for a while.
a nice rifle for pig shooting was the rem woodmaster, but it had a habit if jamming.
the b.a.r that replaced it never missed a beat, but did not point like the woody.
keep safe,
bruce.

[Kurt]

Bruce I don't think the lid on the tar kettle was opened.