Old E

[Don McDowell]

Brownie if you've shot Goex just treat the KIK like you would the Goex.

[Brownie Nash]

Don

Yes I have I used from .250 to .350 with Goex. I do not use that much with Swiss Powder. So probably .250 to .350 would not be too much ?

[Don McDowell]

So far this KIK doesn't seem to mind compressing, it also will do alright without much compression.
It is pretty forgiving.
There are some folks say they went from the same charge of Swiss 1.5 to the KIK 2 f and nothing changed except for how much easier the barrel was to clean.

[Kurt]

I have several accuracy ranges with several different compression levels. There is just not one. The .44-100 has two, .120" and .350-360
between .300 and .380 I think you will find something that will work.
The .45-70 with 2F .230" gives me very good accuracy.

[Brownie Nash]

Thanks guys. Your posts have renewed my interest in KIK. Swiss is a good powder but kind of expensive. If KiK is as good or hopefully better, my O my, a lot more shooting for the buck. Thanks again for the friendly advice. That is what makes this such a great site.

Regards

Brownie

[Don McDowell]

Brownie keep us posted on your results. There are folks that are getting some really good accuracy from it. I'm pretty sure the fouling alone will be enough to keep you looking for the sweetspot load if it doesn't turn up on the first go.

[Don McDowell]

Got my old E in, but won't be able to do any shooting testing for a bit.
It looks almost like Express, but it is very light stuff. Using a volume measure the Old E 1.5 only weighs 64.2 grs, where the same measure of KIK 1.5 weighs 68 grs. The 2f old E is pretty close in volume weight to regular goex 2f, but they did screen it smaller. So it does indeed look like Swiss/ Schuetzen, in that 2 f looks to be about the same size as Goex 3f.
Anybody else got any in and shot it ?

[Lumpy Grits]

Don, I had the same thing with the first batch of Goex I bought after Hodgdon took over Goex.
My weight with the old powder of 85 gn was now 76 or so with the same volume.
Talked to Jerry at PI and he said to go buy the volume.....
Did what jerry said, and the new rounds went right where the old ones did.
Also, the old Goex was a dark, shiney black. The newer stuff was less black and flat in shine.
Always wondered what Hodgdon changed......
Gary

[Kurt]

I got my powder this morning and went right down to the mole den and threw 12 together. The powder does weigh less the the KIK with the same volume in the case but I don't have a chronograph working right now so I cant say if the velocity is much different then the KIK.
I shot 4-3 shot groups using 90 grains of 1.5 and 2F for a starting load compressed .370" and using the .44-100 caliber with the PP 477 gr prolate bullet and the 500 grain bullet that is the KAL elliptical.
The low shot on the top target was a fault of the cam that locks down the elevation on the MVA scope came loose on the third shot on the top target and the first shot on the right hand target below it is the low shot a couple inches at 6 o-clock.
I shot these at my 130 yard short range in my yard.
All in all the first time out with this powder I cant find fault with it even though the rifle shoots a lot tighter at this distance using the KIK. We will see when I start to develop the load how it will shoot.
The fouling test one long slow exhale with the blow tube followed with a dry patch pushed through with ease and it came out wet, a little dryer then the KIK would be and the final barrel clean up I saw no difference. Three damp patches followed by three dry patches, the last one came out just as white as it went in.

[Don McDowell]

Thanks Kurt , that's looking a bit promising.
I loaded 20 this afternoon for ol buttugly. My humble assistant has agreed to test fire them tomorrow, if it bothers my cheek to much, if she can use a recoil pad.
Loaded 10 with the 2f by 70gr volume and weight (which isn't alot of difference) , and another 10 of the 1.5 at 70 gr volume and weight, which is an almost 6 gr difference. 70 grs by weight is a tight fit into a WW 45-70 case.