Dean,
I see you noticed that I'm getting a little wimpy.

Hey I loaded some patched round balls in the .45-70 before with a 25 gr load that was almost too much for me to handle

Seriously; I used to patch a round ball with a linen patch and seated them in a .45-70 and .45-120 case over 25 gr of Blk and let the Kids shoot them on a 50 yard target when they couldn't lift the rifle yet

and they did very good at 50 yards. You just cant shoot them with 60-70 grains in the fast twist barrels and expect accuracy, but 20-25 grains is a good load for the little ones.