Shiloh inline seater

[chaneylake]

arrived yesterday, I know nothing about this puppy

1st question, does it really matter if I make the seating thingy fit my Paul Jones bullet, the little ring on the bullet just does not bother me

2nd question, I took one of my loaded rounds and slid it into the seater thingy, round went in except for about the last 1/4 inch or so, I am guessing that I will have to start to full length resize instead of my approx. 3/4 full length sizing

3rd question, I pan lube my cast bullets and they are somewhat messy with excess lube, is this going to cause me a problem

[Lumpy Grits]

What is the bullet runout T.I.R. of your ammo now?
When I seat a bullet. I will lower the ram a bit and rotate the case 180* and reseat. My bullet runout is never over .002" TIR.
How do you know that round didn't fit because of sizing?
IF, your get'n much of a 'ring' on the bullet when seating, you may have to much NT.
How often do you anneal your cases?
Gary

[Old Jim]

#3, Don't have ANY grease or oil or water in that chamber when you shove a loaded round in there. Wipe them clean!

#2, what is the seater thingy, a bullet seater, adjustable?

#1 Don't bother me!

[chaneylake]

What is the bullet runout T.I.R. of your ammo now?
When I seat a bullet. I will lower the ram a bit and rotate the case 180* and reseat. My bullet runout is never over .002" TIR.
How do you know that round didn't fit because of sizing?
IF, your get'n much of a 'ring' on the bullet when seating, you may have to much NT.
How often do you anneal your cases?
Gary

I do not own a run out gauge thingy
I rotate while seating about 1/3 until seated
I hand slid the round into the seater die just to see what would happen, hand pressure only
the current ring is visible but I basically can not feel it
I anneal after every firing

[Rick Mulhern]

What is the bullet runout T.I.R. of your ammo now?
When I seat a bullet. I will lower the ram a bit and rotate the case 180* and reseat. My bullet runout is never over .002" TIR.
How do you know that round didn't fit because of sizing?
IF, your get'n much of a 'ring' on the bullet when seating, you may have to much NT.
How often do you anneal your cases?
Gary

I do not own a run out gauge thingy
I rotate while seating about 1/3 until seated
I hand slid the round into the seater die just to see what would happen, hand pressure only
the current ring is visible but I basically can not feel it
I anneal after every firing

Just go to PP and 'runout' won't be a problem! When you only seat the bullet into the case .125" to .150"....with the patch paper slightly engraving the lands....the patched bullet will align itself with the bore!!

[chaneylake]

What is the bullet runout T.I.R. of your ammo now?
When I seat a bullet. I will lower the ram a bit and rotate the case 180* and reseat. My bullet runout is never over .002" TIR.
How do you know that round didn't fit because of sizing?
IF, your get'n much of a 'ring' on the bullet when seating, you may have to much NT.
How often do you anneal your cases?
Gary

I do not own a run out gauge thingy
I rotate while seating about 1/3 until seated
I hand slid the round into the seater die just to see what would happen, hand pressure only
the current ring is visible but I basically can not feel it
I anneal after every firing

Just go to PP and 'runout' won't be a problem! When you only seat the bullet into the case .125" to .150"....with the patch paper slightly engraving the lands....the patched bullet will align itself with the bore!!

I have give that some serious thought, getting sorta tired of messing with the greasy bullets, how hard is it to learn the paper patching thingy

[Rick Mulhern]

What is the bullet runout T.I.R. of your ammo now?
When I seat a bullet. I will lower the ram a bit and rotate the case 180* and reseat. My bullet runout is never over .002" TIR.
How do you know that round didn't fit because of sizing?
IF, your get'n much of a 'ring' on the bullet when seating, you may have to much NT.
How often do you anneal your cases?
Gary

I do not own a run out gauge thingy
I rotate while seating about 1/3 until seated
I hand slid the round into the seater die just to see what would happen, hand pressure only
the current ring is visible but I basically can not feel it
I anneal after every firing

Just go to PP and 'runout' won't be a problem! When you only seat the bullet into the case .125" to .150"....with the patch paper slightly engraving the lands....the patched bullet will align itself with the bore!!

I have give that some serious thought, getting sorta tired of messing with the greasy bullets, how hard is it to learn the paper patching thingy

You won't learn any younger!!

[Tombstone 71]

These guys will help you go to PP world, ask away. I have been shooting PP for a while and I am never going back to GG. My saco lubersizer is starting to rust.

[Gunlaker]

I wouldn't give up on the greasers completely, but paper patching is a lot of fun and easy to get started with. When I first started with it I was using a C. Sharps .45-110 ( the same rifle I've posted about here ). That was maybe 3 or 4 years ago.

It took me a few weeks of fiddling and I was getting terrible accuracy. Then I got some advice from Rick, Don, and several guys on the Shiloh and Cast Bullet forums. Most of those guys are on this site now :-). I shot two sets of targets with rounds loaded as they were recommended to me. The first was at 100m and was sub-moa. The second target was at 200m and was under 1.5moa.

The load for this rifle really hasn't changed much over the last coule of years except that I've upped the powder charge a bit. Today the rifle put 8 out of 10 shots into under 2" of vertical at 200m. The two flyers were likely poor control on my part.

These days I shoot greasers, paper patch, and have been messing with breech seating. All of the techniques will eventually produce excellent accuracy IMHO. Paper patching might sound tricky, but it is really easy to get started if you follow down the same road these guys have gone down.

I couldn't tell you how my rifle and PP loads will do a longer ranges but I'm going to find out next month. I expect any problems I run into will be caused by me and not the paper patching.

Sorry about the long paper patching ramble...

Chris.

[Old Jim]

This is what I like about this site. Theres always something to be learned here from folks that have been there, done that.

Thanks Don & Bob.