Hello All,

[laowho]

Mike,

That ebay Lyman #457124 mould came in and she's a beaut! Iron, had a cast in it and it looks great--real crisp. Thanks so much for the heads up. Doug

[Mike]

Bravo!! Now, if you will drop down to the Publications forum, go to
The American Sharps Shooters 2013-4 and you can read a little bit about that bullet style. Good reading about Quigley too. Shoot sharp, Mike

[laowho]

Well Thanks Again Mike,

Appreciate yer lookin after me. Didn't know that section existed. Gonna have to show my wife the Quigley article--it's one reason I started doin this, to give us sumthin worthwhile to do, and even a reason to go, out west. Man, glad I got that mould. Like the rifle woulda been naked w/o it. And as long as I got ye here...IF I got one more, would you recommend the Postell or the Creedmore? Admit to fancyin havin at least one Paul Jones. Figure this'll round out all the ranges and conditions...the 124 out to 200, maybe the 645 or 125 out to 600, then this Postell or Creedmoor for the rest, and preferably for PP ing. Just read the Ashley Garman PP article. Great detail. But was surprised he starts the day w/ a fouling shot that still has the nite's oil in the barrel.

Gonna go read summore. Thanks, Doug

[Mike]

Doug, You can also page-down to a "For Sale or Trade" forum right here. Some pretty good stuff is offered now and then. But first I want to call your attention to another mold on eBay, just look for the Paul Jones 45 Caliber 530 Grain Creedmoor Bullet Mold. It has two bids on it now so you might need to fight for it. Paul Jones, you must have heard, recently retired so getting one of his molds means searching the used market. As far as recommending a Postell or a Creedmoor, oh no, that's up to each shooter. In fact, I do like the original Postell as made by Steve Brooks and you can google his web site to take a look at his designs. You'll probably meet Brooks if you go to Quigley. And Garman is a cool dude, at least one more story of his will be coming out in The American Sharps Shooters. Shoot sharp, Mike

[laowho]

Thanks Mike,

Yeah, I tried his page havin heard he might be retiring and the domain name is for sale. I'll check it out. Guess the PP will have to wait if I'm determined to have his C'moor or a Postell. Just that I keep seein it pop up, tho I think Don has said that it's more like the "new" Postell and that the original is preferred. I wouldn't know the difference, so I'll be reading up on these, but I suppose Steve Brooks' Postell is more like the original? Lemme do my research. Does seem, though, that for long range the PP is preferred, and I do wanna learn that. Will check out the classifieds for sure.

[Mike]

Doug, Don't let those paper patch stories mislead you. Most of the top scores in silhouettes, long range, and at Quigley are shot with "greasers" or naked bullets. Several of us enjoy using paper patched bullets as well, mostly for the historical background of such loads in the black powder cartridges we use. A lot of good hunting is done with paper patched bullets as you'll see in various stories in The American Sharps Shooters. I'm pointing this out not to steer you away from getting a paper patch bullet mold, no, dive into it, but start down that patch with the clear vision that a grease groove bullet will more than likely get you to doing some good shooting a bit quicker. You might also find that your .45/70's chamber needs a bit of modification at the rifling leade to perform well with paper patch loads. Let that come later, maybe after you really decide shooting paper patched bullets is what you want to do. You're actually getting into this sport at full speed and good doin's, so far. Shoot sharp, Mike

[Don McDowell]

Doug I love shooting paper patch, I'm one of the few folks that have ever launched into the national matches shooting patched and come home with a medal for my efforts. But with that said, I really think when a person is just starting into learning the art of shooting blackpowder cartridge, the greaser's are the way to go. It shortens up the learning curve substantially.
While it is possible to slap together a patched load capable of minute of rock or half minute of deer, if a person gets dead nuts serious about accuracy with patched, there's a lot of things that have to be done just right and with boring repletion.
Your Shiloh will shoot patched just fine as it comes from the factory, but you will have to resize after every firing, and you'll need to wipe every shot, as the standard chamber can give you fits with paper rings.
Besides these old timey rifles are like Lay's potato chips you can't have just one,,, and if you try patching and like it the next one needs to be a dedicated patch gun (with the possibility of going to greasers just to keep your sanity if necessary)

[laowho]

Okay Mike,
That's where I left off my search last nite, over at the Shiloh forums & what makes a good fit. And yeah, I am surprised that the long range comps were won w/ GGs--was assuming the PP better BC helped an otherwise undersized 45-70. Fraid I tend to do full-speed. Used to bring binoculars to my wife's house when we started dating, for astronomy, but had never looked thru a telescope. Six months later we were lookin thru a homemade twin 12.5" binocular telescope made from an oil drum. What can I say? "Show me a sane man and I'll cure him for you."

Okay Don,
I hear you. I actually left off the PP last nite and was at ebay thanks to Mike. Besides the PJC there's the 457132 that I shoulda ordered instead of the 125. And when I make a mistake like that it's time to slow down. Now I know myself and that I'll be gettin one more mould this weekend, but from what you guys have said, at least I can leave off the PP for now and concentrate a little better. Cheers, Doug

"Suffice to say, what we behold is censored by our eyes. To be possessed is the best reason for possessing."

[Mike]

Doug, Good doin's, start your shooting with greasers and then let's see where they take you. And there is nothing wrong with 457125, it was developed for long range shooting. But so was 457132 and you'll probably enjoy having both of them, along with that Paul Jones mold, if you get them all. Let me ask, has your rifle been delivered yet? If it has gotten to you, I missed any note about it. Anyway, it's high time to get some loads shot through a rifle so some down-range reports can be made. Shoot sharp, Mike

[laowho]

Hi Mike,

Rifle will be in around Mon/Tues, and my FID a couple weeks later? Ordered cerro too to slug it, just in anticipation. That PJC is up around $150 w/ 4 days left, so...Really like the looks of the 132 profile and would compare w/ the 645 I reckon, so will be leaning that way this weekend, w/ an eye to both ebay and BACO. Also considerin maybe a mid-grain option of 480 or so since I'll already have lite and heavy. But yeah, definitely need to put lead down range, and no doubt a lotta this is nervousness about properly takin care of the rifle and of never havin used BP or even done my own reloads. Will keep you posted for sure. Thanks again for all yer help, Doug