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[Gunlaker]

Mike with wet patched bullets the paper will generally stick on in transit. I always transport the patched bullets separate from the charged cases even when using fixed ammo. I don't know why, just a habit I've gotten into.

A friend recently gave me a bore pig he made and I plan on giving it a try too. I need to pick up the speed a bit as our long range gong match is going to a one minute per shot rule next year. I don't want to be reduced to shooting greasers :-)

Chris.

[Don McDowell]

Chris switch to Eynsford, and a tapered or dual diameter bullet, and get by with a blowtube, and really blow their minds.

[bruce moulds]

chris,
the secret of pigs is to dissolve the fouling.
this requires a long slow push, and you get a feel for dissolving happening.
dissolving can be sped up with either a soluble cutting oil or murphy's oil soap solution of sufficient strength.
pushing with a dry patch gives you 2 passes for the price of one.
cutting oil is possibly beneficial in that it is less rust initiating than a murpyy's solution or straight water.
both the solutions are easier to push than straight water due to the fact that they act like a lubricant.
keep safe,
bruce.

[Gunlaker]

Thanks guys, I'll do some experimenting.

Chris.

[bruce moulds]

so how did breech seating start in the creedmoor game?
who knows, but here is a guess.
the 45 2 7/8 case was tried with 100 gns of powder and found to be not bad. this in 1876.
we often read of the americans quoting 100 gns as the ideal charge for 1000 yd shooting, while the poms felt that 90 gns was enough. there could have been differences in powder.
by the end of 1876 the 2.6 case was introduced as being superior for target shooting with the same load, only the bullet more exposed to the rifling.
still using the same load, in 1877 the 2.4 case was introduced. again exposing more bullet at the same cartridge overall length.
it is hard to say how much 100 gns of powder filled the old 2.4 cases, but pictures of loaded rounds show the bullet way out. in fact they look longer than 2 7/8 hunting ammo.
these bullets were almost being breech seated when the cartridge was chambered.
it would only be natural for someone sooner or later to go the full monte.
or maybe people were starting to breech seat, and the shorter cases were an attempt to retain a marketplace for loaded ammo.
from reading hinman we know that at the end of the era people were breech seating using the 2.6 case full with more than 100 gns of powder.
a perfectly normal human action. we all look for more speed and power, even today.
keep safe,
bruce.

[Kenny Wasserburger]

Remember the gent in question was using a roller action Remington, a 2.6 loaded round would not clear the hammer on a Roller, a case will just clear, Hench the breach seating method.

Something else to consider??

KW

[bruce moulds]

Kenny,
that could be true, but I know a guy with a roller in 2.6.
maybe his hammer has been bobbed?
a breech seater would also have to clear the hammer.
keep safe,
bruce.

[Kurt]

If you use a mechanical breach seater I would doubt it would work with a 2.6 or 2.4 case for that matter. A palm seater would clear the hammer on a roller.

Kurt

[Kenny Wasserburger]

If you use a mechanical breach seater I would doubt it would work with a 2.6 or 2.4 case for that matter. A palm seater would clear the hammer on a roller.

Kurt

Odd, the Roller I saw at the collectors show had the stud mounted on the side of the reciever, as many breach seating rifles that I have seen do. A 45-2.6 will not clear the hammer unless is has been ground down quite a bit. Ask Jimbo, and one breach seater I know of the whole bullet fits inside the case again that would allow it to clear a unmodifed hammer, for what is worth the rifle We looked at very carefully the hammer was not ground down, and it had both the heel sight and the tang sight and was a genuine Creedmoor Model rolling block. I wish I knew more about Hinman's rifle hell it might of even been his????

KW

[bruce moulds]

posts here raise more questions.
heel sights indicate the back position
we know those guys wiped thoroughly and breech seated.
did they string shoot or take it in turns?
do any guys in the usa use the back position? it would be most interesting to hear from them.
in Britain there is a discipline called match rifle, where the ranges shot are 1000, 1100, and 1200 yards with a 308 only. some proponents of this sport use the back position, even though a wrist rest is allowed for prone.
these ranges were suggested by the brits for the first big challenge, but the americans went for the palma ranges for logistical reasons.
string shooting would have had them flat out like a lizard drinking with all they had to do.
another interesting point is that hinman claimed use of the roller.
just goes to show that with good ammo and wind reading, the latest and greatest equipment is not always a necessity. in fact hinman commented that the old guns were as good as the new smokeless, only harder to shoot due to recoil.
the krag and the 30/03 would not have been much if any better in the wind than a 550 gn 45 cal bullet.
keep safe,
bruce.