Challenge match idea

[Don McDowell]

No I don't have the pits to do this, but I do know where there are some...
The object of this thing would be to put a rifleman thru the paces with unfamiliar equipment and ammo, all on their own. Would be a minimum of 45 rounds for score. By spreading the thing thru 3 course of fire, that gives everybody the same shot at having crappy conditions.
900 yds is probably the most difficult distance as that's where things really start to make or break, and it's well past the spin drift built into every rifle ever made. Lots of things come together at 900 that makes for some headscratcher bullet strikes.

[DeadEye]

"If you build it they will come." I'm sure some would give it a try Don but then others might pass. I'm not too keen on having someone I don't know shoot my rifle with ammo I don't know and worse still letting him clean it. We used to put all the names in a hat and draw for Silhouette teams at our last shoot of the year and call it a 'fun shoot'. Trouble is it weren't no fun trying to do well against the odds. I never let one of those scores go in my NRA book. Then we tried what we called a Hunter Match. Standard Silhouette course of fire but no Spotter and unlimited shots in a 10 minute time limit. It took about two of those and all the smart shooters said, "I think I'll watch." It was like watching a field full of prairie dogs poppin' their heads up. Without a spotter on steel you can't see your shot impact if you stay on the gun for the proper follow through. It was a real good way to learn a bunch of bad habits. Now what Brian is hinting at is basically the way I shot the Quigley this year. As a result of our new young scoring lady messing up her boards I wound up in the 4th relay both days. I was on the line with Pat Taylor and Dick Hansen and Frank Dunks and from the third relay on not one spotter could call one shot. I heard, "Sorry I didn't see it," 48 times from Spot. After the match they took a look and found that 8 of the top 10 were in the first relay and the other 2 were in the second. So the facts as I see them are that you can do whatever you want to make it 'tougher' but the end result will just be a lower score for everyone after you've levelled the playing field. I don't know why someone who has spent $4000 on a rifle and a lot of time and effort developing an accurate load would want to give that advantage to someone who only shoots once or twice a year and call it fun. Thanks for listening.

May you all have a healthy and prosperous New Year.

Paul

[hipshot]

Sounds like fun, I would shoot it in squads to keep things moving. Mary would be more than happy to poke people if things got slow .



Have a happy new year everybody

Dave

[DeadEye]

Hey Dave,

You talking ONE three man Squad at a time or a NUMBER of Squads? Cuz if you're talking more than one Squad than you can be in the squad with the shot-out old trapdoor and I'll be in the one with the brand new C. Sharps 1885 in 40-65 shooting smokeless.

Paul

[knobsmt]

I can see Mary poking people for some she might use a hot shot cattle prod

[knobsmt]

make it all off hand that will test a true marksman ....

[Don McDowell]

"If you build it they will come." I'm sure some would give it a try Don but then others might pass. I'm not too keen on having someone I don't know shoot my rifle with ammo I don't know and worse still letting him clean it. We used to put all the names in a hat and draw for Silhouette teams at our last shoot of the year and call it a 'fun shoot'. Trouble is it weren't no fun trying to do well against the odds. I never let one of those scores go in my NRA book. Then we tried what we called a Hunter Match. Standard Silhouette course of fire but no Spotter and unlimited shots in a 10 minute time limit. It took about two of those and all the smart shooters said, "I think I'll watch." It was like watching a field full of prairie dogs poppin' their heads up. Without a spotter on steel you can't see your shot impact if you stay on the gun for the proper follow through. It was a real good way to learn a bunch of bad habits. Now what Brian is hinting at is basically the way I shot the Quigley this year. As a result of our new young scoring lady messing up her boards I wound up in the 4th relay both days. I was on the line with Pat Taylor and Dick Hansen and Frank Dunks and from the third relay on not one spotter could call one shot. I heard, "Sorry I didn't see it," 48 times from Spot. After the match they took a look and found that 8 of the top 10 were in the first relay and the other 2 were in the second. So the facts as I see them are that you can do whatever you want to make it 'tougher' but the end result will just be a lower score for everyone after you've levelled the playing field. I don't know why someone who has spent $4000 on a rifle and a lot of time and effort developing an accurate load would want to give that advantage to someone who only shoots once or twice a year and call it fun. Thanks for listening.

May you all have a healthy and prosperous New Year.

Paul

Paul it would not be your rifle, and it would not be your ammunition.
The rifles would belong to the "club" the ammunition would be "factory" loaded .
Think of it sort of like the old Camp Perry Service rifle matches , where a person could show up, be issued a rifle and ammunition and go out on the line and compete..

[DeadEye]

Sorry Don, I guess I misunderstood. I like that idea, am I in the club, where do I join the club, how much does it cost? Does the club have a brand new C. Sharps in 40-65 shooting smokeless? Seriously, forgive my having fun at your expense. That sounds like it would be fun if you could put it together. As you said, the logistics could be challenging.

Paul (Glutton #2)

[hipshot]

We could just shoot the duck at med. rock, what do ya think Don.

[Don McDowell]

Paul I think I know a "philanthropist" type fella that we might get to bank roll the thing. Just trying to guage if there's enough interest in the project. It would be a year or two down the line.

Dave I think just take a cutting torch to the duck, then leave it in the bottom of the porta potty after every body has chicken enchilada's for supper...