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Re-Barreling a Shilo
I have a Shilo 45-70 with a 1-18 twist. I used a teslong bore scope and the barrel looked like 45 miles of bad road. Chatter marks and inclusions in the bore. It seemed to shoot fine, however I don't think a rifle costing as much as a Shilo does should have a poor looking barrel on it. Plus I want to experiment with a faster twist rate.
So today I ordered a Douglas premium barrel in 1-16 twist. The big question is who should I get to rebarrel the rifle? Shilo, C Sharps or someone else?
On a side note I am not married to the 45-70. Should I do a 2 & 4/10's 2 & 6/10's? It will be for shooting out to 1200 yards.
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RE: Re-Barreling a Shilo
I don't know why I keep mis-spelling it.. I know how it is spelled. It was made in 2018.. I haven't called Kirk, for several petty reasons. As far a Shiloh making better barrels than Douglas. That seems a bit of a stretch. Douglas has been making barrels for a loooooong time and has set many Bench Rest records back in the day. I doubt they have forgotten how to make barrels. Plus I told Stan Taylor who worked there I was going to use one of their barrels for whatever gun I rebarreled next. He passed a way recently but I do what I say I will if I able able to do so.
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RE: Re-Barreling a Shilo
If the rifle shoots well and you’re not filling those chatter marks with lead I guess I don’t see the problem.
I would suggest if you want that Douglas barrel on something then have a rifle built around it
Pick your next chambering carefully as brass in the longer chambers is virtually nonexistent and will likely remain so for several years
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RE: Re-Barreling a Shilo
Steve,
A good friend recently had his long range rifle re barreled with a Douglas 16 twist, 45 caliber barrel. He had it chambered in 45-90. It shoots beautifully! He used it to win the last 1000 yard match at Harris Mn. I think you’ve made a good choice for a long range barrel, although I don’t know what your intended use for it is.
Having said that... Since bore scopes have become easily available to everyone, many good, serviceable barrels have gone on the shelf. I was certainly surprised when I looked at some of my best ones. It would be interesting to know what you’ll see when you take a peek down your brand new barrel!
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RE: Re-Barreling a Shilo
Ok, Let me make this clear. I know the looks of a bore are not the same as how it preforms. I own a Savage rifle and the bore looks like crap. It shoots as good as any barrel out there. I have or have had barrels from Douglas, Shilen, Brux, Krieger, Rock Creek and Bartlein. All there bores are nice and smooth. They are shoot fantastic. I am an F Class Mid Range High Master, so I know shooting in general. It just irks me to no end that a $3,500 - 4000 dollar custom rifle has left the builder with a barrel with chatter marks nearly from end to end. Some obvious other internal flaws as well. It shoots well but if I owned a company I would not have allowed it to have that barrel installed.
The fact is a new barrel is coming in .458" with a 1-16 twist and will go on the rifle. The question is what 45 caliber cartridge would you choose and why.?? The only cartridge currently not on the table will be the 2 & 7/8ths due to Norma sending no basic brass over here for about 3 years now.
Also if you lived in Montana who would you have do the barrel fitting?
I will be shooting steel out to 1200 yards with it and maybe targets to 1000 yards..
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RE: Re-Barreling a Shilo
Steve,
I know what you're saying. The reamer marks in photo one is in a new unfired rifle. When the button gets pulled through those washboard ripples are only micron deep. They look like a washboard looking through a 25X mag bore scope. After a few thousand rounds fired to looks like the second photo
But yes I agree the QC should be top notch when you order a custom rifle.
As far as a .45 caliber choice I think the 2.4 will do anything the rest will do. I have .45-70 through the .45-3-1/4 sharps, I don't have the 2-7/8 so I cant speak for that caliber. The 2.4 Shiloh or the 2.4 CPA With the Douglas barrel and Krieger have kept my high at the Gong shoots. Been it the top 10 and out of the top ten several times because of the tie breakers at the Quigley and placed well at the 1k match. I also have the 2.6 with a Badger barrel but I reach for the 2.4 or my .44 calibers.
If I was still in my 70's I would shoot my 2.5 .50. Age is catching up on me
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RE: Re-Barreling a Shilo
Unless and until Starline gets good brass stock or Jamison comes back on line any 45 other than the 45-70 isn’t going to get fed
You’ll need to call around and see who can profile that barrel for you or is wanting to do the stock work to match the contour of your new barrel
Keep in mind as backed up as good bpcr smiths are you will be without a rifle for most of a year
In the mean time you probably need to sit down and figure out the bpcr thing is a whole different world than the f class you’re used to
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