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[Don McDowell]

Good luck Arnie
I can tell you it is sure nice to see those long targets

[Distant Thunder]

Keeping most of your shots on the edge of a 22" circle isn't all bad! Well done!

I bought my scope a good 10 years ago. It took a few years before I even put on a rifle. Over the past few years I have slowly warmed to using and only because my eyes have steadily gotten worse. With it now on my .44-77 I'm really liking it. It was a much longer learning curve than I would have thought, I'm almost there now. I doubt it will come off my .44-77 anytime soon.

[beltfed]

I sure do know about vision issures -at 80 now. , especially last couple years.
Recently, at the Eau Claire ISSA Schuetzen matches, I just could not see my bullet holes at 200yds
with my Kowa 821M scope. Even the 38 cal. Chalked it up to early Cataract formation and Age Related Macular Degeneraion.

Another guy , at 79 spotted for me on the last match and was able to see my 25 cal holes. He had had Cataract surgery.
Problem is, my eye doctor (and Me) do not want to do surgery until really necessary
for everyday "use", what with my One eye.
Arnie

[Don McDowell]

Jim I was pretty happy with the results. The wind wasn't a complete terror but it was enough to test if that bullet was going to stay stable at 1000 and it sure looks like it's going to.

Arnie I have most of my rifles drilled and tapped when their built. I've messed with scope before, and the only place I like it much is on the 22's. With this cataract coming on my shooting eye, I'm warming up to shooting scope a bit more, it sure is nice to be able to define the target.

[Distant Thunder]

I've been working on cataracts for about 3 years now and they has really become noticeable since the fall of 2020. It was bad enough that I have fought a bad astigmatism for 20 years and when using iron sights have not seen a round bullseye or aperture in all those years. Now if it's a little bit dark out I can not even see the target through irons. And most of the time for the past 5 or more years I have been unable to read the number boards. And my astigmatism makes all the numbers with any diagonal line look about the same, that is pretty much your 2, 3, 4 6, 7 and 9 and sometimes the 5. A Lot depends on how the numbers are made, but if any part is diagonal it will disappear. 1 and 0 are usually sorta good.

Learning to use a scope has not been a snap, but for the past two years I can at least see the target while using one. I doubt I will be able to compete with irons again and I have accepted that reality. All my rifles have been D & T'd for scope. The problem I have is the ones with a 34" barrel are not really usable with my 17" scope on 7.2" centers, only out to 800 yards. After that the front sight and the barrel interfere. My .44-77 has a 30" barrel and that works to 1000 yards, although at 1000 yards I am looking through the front sight. I can't bring myself to remove the front sights, it just ain't right!
Putting a scope on my .22 BPCR has really helped me kind of get the hang of it. That one isn't coming off either, I like it.
I need to find out what kind of scope setup will work on my 34" barrels and start working toward getting my Hepburn back up and running while I can still be shooting. I would appreciate any thoughts on a scope that would work.

[Kurt]

In the last 2-1/2 years I bought three DZ scopes so I don't have to keep switching them from rifle to rifle and to stay legal with the NRA matches and because I cant see the MVA cross hairs or read the graduations on the mounts while shooting under cover without using a flashlight.
Heck I have problems finding the holes through paper at 200 yards with my Kowa scope with a zoom lens at 50X.
Right now I'm looking for a Unertl for load development to get the fine sight picture needed for this job.

[Don McDowell]

Jim I have the same problem with the DZ scope, by the time you get out to 1000 the end of the barrel becomes a problem. I do think it's a great silhouette and midrange scope.
The MVA 23 inch scope in the #2 mounts even a 34 inch barrel isn't a problem. But that set up would be a problem at a gong match or such having to change the rear riser blocks at random, but it does work great for Creedmoor or midrange, and silhouette due to not having to change blocks during the course of the day.

[Kurt]

I cant tell you anything using a scope for 800 to 1000 yet but it works very good for midrange.
The last Lodi match I switched to a scope because I cross fired three times during one relay and I took the tang off and mounted the scope to finish the match. Yes I saw barrel shadow with a 30" barreled .44-77 but it was not a problem. I since put on a set of higher blocks.
I had .175" front .325 rear and I changed them .05" higher, .225"/.375"
Both of these combinations with 7.2" spacing gets me on the 1K using the DZ scope.

The MVA 10X A scope goes crazy with 7.2" spacing.

[Don McDowell]

I have used the MVA 23 inch on # 2 mounts on the 71/4 spacing but you can’t fat finger the adjustment knobs for sure

[Distant Thunder]

Don and Kurt,

I like my Leatherwood scope I have on my .44-77 and I have it in the DZ mounts. I can go from 200 yards to 1000 yards without changing anything. The scope isn't anything special but for me it works well. There are better scopes out there I'm sure.

For my Creedmoor rifle, my 34" Hepburn, I would only use it for 800, 900 and 1000 yard shooting. I think I would have to go to a longer scope with a wider base spacing? If so it's not a problem.

On my ,22 I have the MVA B5 in the better mounts. The MVA mounts are not as good as the DZ mounts. The scope is clear and bright and the crosshairs are too fine, but they work on a .22 just fine.

I don't move my Leatherwood scope from rifle to rifle very often, but it only takes a few minutes when I do. It's no big deal.

I will probably look into a Creedmoor scope again this winter, but I didn't get anywhere the last time I set out looking for one so we'll see..