Old E residue

[Dan Cash]

LOL well I hope you got it figured out soon...

Despite the stain, this stuff really shoots well. Load it and shoot it. I will be shooting some this afternoon so can make more observations of a specific nature.
Dan

[Don McDowell]

Thanks for the info Dan.

[craneman]

Dragons Blood?
I have witnessed this phenomenon a number of times with different powders but have not noticed it with the 2F Olde E I am shooting now.
I am not sure what cartridge you are shooting or amount of powder but it could be possible that you have some unburned powder blowing out the muzzle and just haven't noticed it before.
Or it could be something entirely new and one of those mysteries of life!

Todd

[Dan Cash]

Sorry it has taken so long to get back to this but high winds, heat and slippery rocks have gotten in the way.

About an hour ago, I fired 20 rounds of the same lot of ammunition that produced the brown stain last Sunday. Clean up was normal. I did not observe any of the dragon's blood berries after firing. Temperature was 84-85 degrees, about 10-12 degrees cooler than last Sunday. Load is .45-70, 71 grains Old E 2Fg, .003 paper card wad under a 46-510 P Accurate bullet compressed sufficiently to seat the bullet (about 3/8 inch). This ammo is identical with what was shot on Sunday last in two different rifles. I wondere if this is a phenomena of temperature? I'll have to grit my teeth and shoot when it is hotter.

[Kurt]

I have not seen brown patches shooting 2F OE but I see the dragon blood in the cases it extracted right after the shot but it does not stay red as long as the KIK did. I think most of the Sulphur gets consumed better then the KIK or the old goex.

[Ironramrod]

Most all black powder cleaning solutions have a water base to help dissolve the fouling. And in my experience w/ water in various areas is there can be a lot of difference in water chemistry just a few miles apart that may have an impact on cleaning out black powder fouling to create variable results. Maybe pick up a gallon of distilled water at the grocery or hardware store and try that in your solvent compared to the water in your area. Just a thought.
Regards

[Dan Cash]

Most all black powder cleaning solutions have a water base to help dissolve the fouling. And in my experience w/ water in various areas is there can be a lot of difference in water chemistry just a few miles apart that may have an impact on cleaning out black powder fouling to create variable results. Maybe pick up a gallon of distilled water at the grocery or hardware store and try that in your solvent compared to the water in your area. Just a thought.
Regards

Thanks for your thought on this subject. Water could well have to do with this phenomena but in this case, I don't think it did in my case. The same soapy water solution made from my tap water is always used for cleaning three rifles involved. The brownish stain is not always present. I have observed the stained patches from cleaning two different .45-70s and a .38-55 Marlin, all loaded with Old E, bullets using the same lube and the same card wads. The last observed occurrence was at the Badlands shoot July 16. The temp was 100 or close to it during the shoot. I also observed the stain while working up loads prior to Jim Hovet's match at Antelope, MT but did not see the stain when I cleaned guns there. It was quite hot on both occasions but I don't know how hot.

I will be sooting again at Bih Hill on the 5th and 6th of August if not before. I will make relevant observations and record same.

[Stephen Borud]

Reading this thread about the brown on your cleaning patch triggered a memory. I actually just had this happen to me for the first time a couple weeks ago. I was shooting Swiss Fg and cleaning the bore with Birchwood Casey black powder solvent. I had several brown patches come out the bore after all the heavy fouling had been pushed out and the bore was about clean. I was also shooting in damn near 100 degree weather. I've never seen the brown color before either.

Where are you guys getting your Old E 1F? How's the pricing on it? I have about 15 lbs of Swiss left and a few pounds of Goex so it won't be long before I need to order. I'm also curious on how it shoots.

Thanks
Stephen

[Lumpy Grits]

You can buy 'E' 1F, from Powder Inc.
https://powderinc.com/

I use Windex multi-surface w/vinegar for my BP cleaner.
I also shoot in 'heat'(see where I live). Also get the 'brown' as I did with regular Goex. Just less of it w/'E'.
Gary

[Stephen Borud]

Thanks Lumpy


Stephen