A great picture of the San Diego group at their September match. Steve Adams photographer. Russ is holding a very ornate Werndl schuetzen rifle in 9.5X47R by Johann Springer. Al Sledge is holding the Tom Nichols trophy which he won. Fred Nace holding a nice Zimmerstutzen rifle. Eric Keel holding his Kopicus percussion schuetzen rifle.
L to R, Chris Jarvis Sr., AL Sledge, Jack Farmer, Russ Hooks, Ron Welch, John Thiele, Joe Feldman, Chris Jarvis, Bob Tyler, Fred Nace, and Eric Keel.
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RE: San Diego group in the spirit
Joe.
That looks like a fine group of guys your shooting with.
I have been trying to get some of the younger generation that shoot at our range and two have picked up a powder rifle and three old duffs like me are now shooting a Shiloh so I am making some progress letting them shoot my rifles.
But it's tough to get them to switch away from the black plastic guns.
Kurt
The reason a dog has so many friends is because he wags his tail instead of his tongue.
That looks like a fine group of guys your shooting with.
I have been trying to get some of the younger generation that shoot at our range and two have picked up a powder rifle and three old duffs like me are now shooting a Shiloh so I am making some progress letting them shoot my rifles.
But it's tough to get them to switch away from the black plastic guns.
Kurt
Persistence Kurt. Keep after them. Of course age will help a lot. Older is usually smarter. If you can convert just a few you have done good work.
Is that rifle Eric is holding a hawken with a receiver sight mounted?
No, Don.
It was made as a percussion target (schuetzen) rifle by a well known maker in Sacramento CA. Kopicus can be found in "American Percussion Schuetzen Rifles" and "Gunsmiths Of California" and surely other books. The California percussion Schuetzen rifles had a style all their own. Different than Midwestern rifles and Eastern rifles. California had a thriving schuetzen community. Many rifles were made with beautiful Claro Walnut. Some had pronged schuetzen style butt plates and some had the crescent style seen on Erics rifle. Some didnt have a sight on the tang, just a barrel sight.
Picture is of my rifle with original diopter sight on the tang. Was out today testing a new bullet and plinking.
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Joe.
Your getting my interest sparked again.
I have enough parts in the odds and end box and a sugar maple and wall nut plank that has been collecting dust out in the shed for 20 odd years to build another rifle. Been sort of saving them for a early Lancaster.
I have a .45 caliber barrel that has a slight ring in the chamber I been looking at that I can cut the threads off and put a breach block in place.
Might have to work on the pipe wrench cuts I put on the barrel taking it off the action it was on but I can fix those.
I'm sort of partial to the .44 calibers. Are they popular in the fast twist bore circles? Seems like the few I see getting used here are the .48 ans some .41's
Kurt
The reason a dog has so many friends is because he wags his tail instead of his tongue.
Your getting my interest sparked again.
I have enough parts in the odds and end box and a sugar maple and wall nut plank that has been collecting dust out in the shed for 20 odd years to build another rifle. Been sort of saving them for a early Lancaster.
I have a .45 caliber barrel that has a slight ring in the chamber I been looking at that I can cut the threads off and put a breach block in place.
Might have to work on the pipe wrench cuts I put on the barrel taking it off the action it was on but I can fix those.
I'm sort of partial to the .44 calibers. Are they popular in the fast twist bore circles? Seems like the few I see getting used here are the .48 ans some .41's
Kurt
Assuming you're talking about percussion target rifles.
The one in my picture is .43, or .431 groove diameter, ratchet rifling.
Gain twist that ends at 24". 40s are pretty common in the old rifles. No competitions for these rifles currently, that I know of. They used them at friendship but dont know if they still do. For me, a 45 would have to much recoil. I prefer the .38.
I've got a bunch of stock blanks cut just for percussion target rifles if you're interested. Most are highly figured and grain layout like the old rifles.
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RE: San Diego group in the spirit
(09-26-2012, 01:01 AM)Joe Gussenhoven Wrote: Is that rifle Eric is holding a hawken with a receiver sight mounted?
No, Don.
It was made as a percussion target (schuetzen) rifle by a well known maker in Sacramento CA. Kopicus can be found in "American Percussion Schuetzen Rifles" and "Gunsmiths Of California" and surely other books. The California percussion Schuetzen rifles had a style all their own. Different than Midwestern rifles and Eastern rifles. California had a thriving schuetzen community. Many rifles were made with beautiful Claro Walnut. Some had pronged schuetzen style butt plates and some had the crescent style seen on Erics rifle. Some didnt have a sight on the tang, just a barrel sight.
Picture is of my rifle with original diopter sight on the tang. Was out today testing a new bullet and plinking.
Joe.
Joe thanks much for the information. The old muzzleloaders hold a paticular fascination for me.
I guess what got me to thinking maybe Hawken in that picture was the butt plate and the lock and snell.
Joe thanks much for the information. The old muzzleloaders hold a paticular fascination for me.
I guess what got me to thinking maybe Hawken in that picture was the butt plate and the lock and snell.
Another rifle with the crescent butt plate by Wasmann. Should start a new thread on these types of rifles.
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so I am making some progress letting them shoot my rifles. 
but I can fix those. 