rifle detonation again

[Kurt]

As long as we have people like this things will happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXtBZPONSCc&app=desktop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLgvvFZR0Cc

[Gunlaker]

The only single shots I use smokeless in are my schuetzen guns. Charlie Dell, a noted schuetzen shooter, spent a lot of time studying chamber ringing and how to prevent it. He put more effort into this than anyone else I'm aware of. His book is definitely worth reading for any cast bullet shooter. His #1 recommendation is not to put a wad down on the powder.

I don't use wads with smokeless, but if I did, I would go with what some schuetzen shooters do and seat it with an airgap above the powder using a tool to ensure consistent wad placement. This prevents ringing and still eliminates problems with powder position sensitivity and crappy velocity SD's. But I still like no wads :-)

Chris.

[J.B.]

Thankfully I haven't sunk to the levels of those in Kurts youtube examples but I have been guilty of ringing a chamber. Watching a fellow with a 45/120 rolling block for several years and he loaded a reduced smokeless load with a 'beer carton' , cardboard wad over the top. Using his 'experience' ?? I followed on when my 45/110 finally arrived . Took it to my first match and wondered why my cases were so hard to extract ( duh ! ). It was a twenty round match and the barrel ruined as a result. It was costly in dollars but thankfully not in damage to bystanders or myself. That was about 20 yrs ago and yes I learnt something from the experience. With a new barrel fitted I went to the range with the same load but different loading technique. (No..I'm not telling ). The rifle would shoot under 3/4" at 100 yds. No ringing, no case damage... but .. in a 45 x 2 7/8" case... 'No Reason' to be doing this at all in the first place. Went out and bought my first canister of Goex ( we could get it here then ) and started my black powder journey. Even won my first match with paper patched bullets with a mould from Tom Ballard. Doesn't seem right to do it any other way now. Clearly there are those that can load reduced smokeless in a 'modern rifle' with care and not have a problem but not 'everyone' seems to be able to do it. The human element again . Until some realise that black powder isn't the 'boogey man' they've been made to believe I guess the smokeless brigade will continue on. As for the cost of black powder being a concern... well at present we are paying about $36USD a lb for Swiss...when we can get it... so we understand that part of the equation. Here's to this years Quigley...and any other shoot for that matter, without incident and injury free.
..see you when the smoke clears

J.B.

[Premod70]

Thankfully I haven't sunk to the levels of those in Kurts youtube examples but I have been guilty of ringing a chamber. Watching a fellow with a 45/120 rolling block for several years and he loaded a reduced smokeless load with a 'beer carton' , cardboard wad over the top. Using his 'experience' ?? I followed on when my 45/110 finally arrived . Took it to my first match and wondered why my cases were so hard to extract ( duh ! ). It was a twenty round match and the barrel ruined as a result. It was costly in dollars but thankfully not in damage to bystanders or myself. That was about 20 yrs ago and yes I learnt something from the experience. With a new barrel fitted I went to the range with the same load but different loading technique. (No..I'm not telling ). The rifle would shoot under 3/4" at 100 yds. No ringing, no case damage... but .. in a 45 x 2 7/8" case... 'No Reason' to be doing this at all in the first place. Went out and bought my first canister of Goex ( we could get it here then ) and started my black powder journey. Even won my first match with paper patched bullets with a mould from Tom Ballard. Doesn't seem right to do it any other way now. Clearly there are those that can load reduced smokeless in a 'modern rifle' with care and not have a problem but not 'everyone' seems to be able to do it. The human element again . Until some realise that black powder isn't the 'boogey man' they've been made to believe I guess the smokeless brigade will continue on. As for the cost of black powder being a concern... well at present we are paying about $36USD a lb for Swiss...when we can get it... so we understand that part of the equation. Here's to this years Quigley...and any other shoot for that matter, without incident and injury free.
..see you when the smoke clears

J.B.

Why would you not share the differences in your loading procedure if you found a better/possibly safer way to load smokeless powder.

[Kurt]

I rung a chamber in a .45-120 Pedersoli using a full compressed load of black powder.
I had a hang fire, click----bang. The only thing I can contribute it to maybe moisture in the case from cleaning the cases. I think the primer pushed the bullet out of the case and when the charge went off it did the damage.
There was a guy at the range that had a brand new I think IBA .45-120 and I asked him how did you load it and he said 3031 cant remember how many grains he used but I asked him are you using a filler to hold the powder down and he answered just a thin wad, I told him don't shoot it and I told him what will happen.
I walked back to my rifle on the 300 yard line and he shot on the 100. pretty soon he came over asked me if I had a cleaning rod with me. I asked him stuck case and he said yes I have one I cant get out.
I didn't tell him I told you so.

[Rick Mulhern]

"Some men learn by observation, some men learn by reading, and some men learn by peeing on the electric fence!"

Will Rogers

[J.B.]

I'm hearing you Mr Mulhern but there were none to observe hereabouts at the time and I clearly hadn't read enough at that stage either ( too busy looking at the pictures ). The electric fence did hurt..but I've no desire to pee on it a second time.
As for not passing on the method I used for loading at the time , is frankly I can't control what someone else does with the information I've given them. I can't even guarantee they've taken my meanings the correct way. I thought I followed someone else instructions years ago and had an accident. It was a $5000 AU gun when it landed here and cost me $1000 AU to fix it a few months later. Had I done more of my own research and a little testing and not been in such an 'all fired up' hurry, this wouldn't have happened. This is just my feeling but I can't see a reason to use any filler or wadding in a 40/65 or 45/70 with smokeless as a moderate load occupies enough of the case anyway. As for the bigger cases.. well.. they are bigger for a reason and its not to fill them or even half fill them with a nitro/cellulose propellant.

rgds J.B.

[Premod70]

I thank all for their responses to my post. Does anyone know the load in detail that was used in this incident. I would like to know if the bullet was seated to the lands or back to say a standard overall length.

[Lumpy Grits]

I thank all for their responses to my post. Does anyone know the load in detail that was used in this incident. I would like to know if the bullet was seated to the lands or back to say a standard overall length.

It was the action that let loose-Nut'n to due with where the bullet start'd.......
Here's a start-
http://www.assra.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.p...1340046856

LG

[Kurt]

I thank all for their responses to my post. Does anyone know the load in detail that was used in this incident. I would like to know if the bullet was seated to the lands or back to say a standard overall length.

It was the action that let loose-Nut'n to due with where the bullet start'd.......
Here's a start-
http://www.assra.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.p...1340046856

LG

No Lumpy the barrel ruptured in this case,

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