Hey LynC2

[bruce moulds]

don,
I find it amazing that the minor diameter has not bumped up more, particularly with pure lead.
possibly there are some energy absorbing wads in the stack?
I have trouble with bore riding nosed greasers in this respect.
what the bullet hits in an animal will reflect its expansion. the joint between the shoulder blade and the next bone down will do things to a bullet.
also the speed when it hits.
the main thing is that it did the job.
with the patch only riding the bore, what is your confetti like?
keep safe,
bruce.

[Don McDowell]

The confetti is fine

[bruce moulds]

don,
I still can't get over the fact that your bullet did not bump the bore ride section into the rifling, particularly with the pure lead composition.
the question arises as to whether your wad stack is absorbing some of the shock when you light the fire.
I tend to use only one wad, either plastic or vege, amd get serious bumpup even with 16/1. I would expect rifling marks to the front of your patch.
you must have a fine balance to leave no marks on the nose, yet get good confetti.
the o.d. creedmoor guys seemed to prefer one card or paper wad, and claimed to bump up 13/1 and even 11/1 with no problems, and my experience has been similar.
in fact I have gone off bore riding greasers for this reason.
possibly I should try softer wads with them.
Kenny does not patch as far forward as I need to, and he uses a massive wad stack.
a picture is starting to form. right or wrong, who knows. another can of worms to unravel!
keep safe,
bruce.

[Don McDowell]

Bruce quite often even when shooting hard bullets patched short, the bullet does not bump up past the end of the patch.
I have shot some quite good groups with a patched bullet cast from 16-1, wrapped in 8 lb paper and no wad what so ever..
If you haven't already tried this, wrap some bullets to the ogive, and then wrap some quite a abit short of the ogive, you'll likely see the short patched bullets will require several minutes less elevation than the longer patched..
Wad stacks and wiping routine/fouling control are big things that can and do make or break patched bullet accuracy, as near as I can tell.

[bruce moulds]

don, I will try that when time permits.
2moa less elevation will certainly translate to a bit less wind deflection at long range.
keep safe,
bruce.

[Don McDowell]

Maybe even more important than the wind deflection, is a better cheek weld, and not having to reach so far to get a good view thru the aperature.

[bruce moulds]

don, it is only about 0.020", but sometimes every bit counts.
of course there is the argument that if you shoot the supine position, cheek weld becomes a non issue.
plus you benefit from a longer sight radius and being historically correct.
keep safe,
bruce.

[Don McDowell]

Yeh but that looks like a good way to trim a fellers toenails,,,

[LynC2]

Wow, this thread morphed into some interesting things to try. There are some good tidbits of information here. Keep it coming!