Here's a picture of that dual diameter sharps bullet I was talking about.
This one came from Old West moulds, but I understand he doesn't do the nose pour bullets any more. Steve Brooks does offer them for the 45 caliber sharps


And here's what my bullet looks like after penetrating a bull elk quartering away at 200 yds. It fell out when we skinned him.

That bullet shortened up some is what I used in the 2 and 300 yd targets at the midrange in Raton, and it's the same one I used to get 7 straight pigs at Watkins on my first sillouette outing.

(10-05-2014, 11:29 PM)Don McDowell Wrote: Here's a picture of that dual diameter sharps bullet I was talking about.
This one came from Old West moulds, but I understand he doesn't do the nose pour bullets any more. Steve Brooks does offer them for the 45 caliber sharps


And here's what my bullet looks like after penetrating a bull elk quartering away at 200 yds. It fell out when we skinned him.

That bullet shortened up some is what I used in the 2 and 300 yd targets at the midrange in Raton, and it's the same one I used to get 7 straight pigs at Watkins on my first sillouette outing.

Thanks Don! I found the 2 diameter bullet on Brook's web site, I must have overlooked it previously as the picture is rather small.

To help clarify this, here is my original question that I asked Don:
Do you know of anyone that has experimented with a 2 diameter bullet. Lets say for a .458x.450 diameter bore & groove. Perhaps a .444 front and a small .450 driving band about .20" length or so and PP'ed up to fit both? Just curious it seems it would bump up quicker being larger.

Don,

How are you managing barrel fouling shooting pp bullets in a silhouette? I'm a kinda slow shooter, and am lucky to finish in the allotted time shooting grease groove w/ a blow tube.

Regards
IR

IR, with this dual diameter bullet, Olde E powder, the muzzleloader original dry lubed felt wad , and jojoba oil on the exposed patch I blow tube. Tested that all out here at home, then took it on to a few gong matches, including among others Baker and the Quigley, and a couple of midrange target matches.
With the straight sided target bullets I use damp patch pushed thru on a nylon brush on the end of a delrin rod. Get the patches all laid out ahead of time a person can clear the bore in short order, and have plenty of time at the end of a sillouette relay provided you don't dink around to long on sighters.

lynnc2,
I am currently experimenting with a 2 diameter pp mould in 40 cal.
the main part of the bullet patches to bore, and the base part patches to 0.406, just under groove, allowing finger seating in fired cases.
the base is 0.125 in the case, and about 0.010 out to contact the 7 degree transition angle.
this mould was made by kal, and is an excellent long range bullet with its elliptical nose.
it has only had 1 outing at 990 yds where it held good vert, but it has also shot 660, 770, and 880 yds with excellent vert.
keep safe,
bruce.

(10-07-2014, 05:43 AM)bruce moulds Wrote: lynnc2,
I am currently experimenting with a 2 diameter pp mould in 40 cal.
the main part of the bullet patches to bore, and the base part patches to 0.406, just under groove, allowing finger seating in fired cases.
the base is 0.125 in the case, and about 0.010 out to contact the 7 degree transition angle.
this mould was made by kal, and is an excellent long range bullet with its elliptical nose.
it has only had 1 outing at 990 yds where it held good vert, but it has also shot 660, 770, and 880 yds with excellent vert.
keep safe,
bruce.

That sounds like it is shooting well for you. Do think there is any advantage with the 2 diameter bullet over a bore diameter PP?
Lyn

lyn,
in my case yes, because I have a gg chamber.
the bore dia part of the bullet works well, and the fatter bit in the case fills it up, which seems to be an advantage.
keep safe,
bruce.

(10-08-2014, 06:14 AM)bruce moulds Wrote: lyn,
in my case yes, because I have a gg chamber.
the bore dia part of the bullet works well, and the fatter bit in the case fills it up, which seems to be an advantage.
keep safe,
bruce.

Now that is an application I never thought about. I just learned another tidbit of information to file away for future use.
Thank you,
Lyn

don,
your photos are most interesting.
the bullets look like the major diameter is taking the rifling and the minor diameter is riding the bore.
this might be incorrect, as things happen when bullets hit the ground.
is there clearance between the patched minor diameter and the bore?
what alloy was the bullet made from?
keep safe,
bruce.

Bruce yes the minor diameter bumps op to ride the bore. The bullets in the picture were cast out of nearly pure lead. The recocerd bullet came out fro under the hide on the far side of an elk I shot. So much for the use soft lead to get expansion wives tale....