Problem rifle

[Kurt]

I have a .45-90 Shiloh that has been a problem getting to shoot. For more then 12 years I been working with this rifle to shoot at least soft ball size groups (4") @ 200 yards reliably. This rifle is the cause of having a drawer full of custom made moulds and empty cases of powder. Goex, swiss, OE, Schuetzen and KIK in all granulations and a bunch of different primers as well as wads, PP or GG bullets. Compression from zero to hanging on the press handle. I even put a scope on this rifle.
Once in a while I will keep 5 shots in the 3" X ring but very seldom this happens. This rifle has three different barrels now.
Is there such a thing like the rifle just will not shoot????????
I'm at a loss with this rifle.

Kurt

[Old Jim]

:Sounds like a very expensive tomato-stake (OOPS) !

Of course, if you take a mind to, send it down my way. We're used to dealing with some pretty contangerous rascals down here. And I could use a new anchor for the john-boat, ifen it done pan out.

Jim

[Kurt]

I like your attitude Jim

I don't want you to get frustrated with this rifle Maybe if I put this barrel in a tree crotch and give it a good pull it might straighten out some

[Gunlaker]

I have a rifle that won't shoot consistently. But I know why. It has an ugly oversized, poorly designed, chamber. I would imagine that a new barrel and good chambering job would fix it though.

I'm surprised that after three barrels yours won't shoot. It must be something in the action itself, or maybe the buttstock. One of my new rifles has given me an appreciation for the little things that can go wrong to transform a super accurate rifle into a scattergun.

Chris.

[Dave Roelle]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

I saw a bum riflegun turned into a pretty swell floor lamp

Dave

[Ironramrod]

Kurt, Maybe call Shiloh and get their opinion? Kirk might enjoy putting a 1,000 piece puzzle together w/ 1 or 2 missing pieces.

[Gussy]

Kurt,
What barrels ?? Cal/maker ?

[Lumpy Grits]

Kurt,
What barrels ?? Cal/maker ?

THIS X2
What loads show'd the most promise?
Gary

[Don McDowell]

Have you pulled the firing pin and replaced it?

[Kurt]

Chris.

The chamber is on the large end with the case mouth but I don't see this as a problem I have several other make of rifles with a chamber large enough to wrap two layers of my PP paper on the sized case and it would still chamber and the rifle is a good shooter.
The first barrel on that came on this rifle was a blunderbuss. The muzzle end was larger then the breach end by quite a bit and that barrel was changed very fast. The second barrel pulled a lot of lead. That barrel was changed at my expense even though it didn't shoot to bad but after 10-15 rounds I mined lead, so I had it changed. That barrel was split with a band saw to check the bore. The bore looked good.
The barrel is not a problem. I cut a brass gauge slug that just fit the bore and I pushed it through and I did not feel the resistance change in it's entire length.
The next step was the forearm. Thinking it might be causing a problem so I took it off and shot it with out wood. No change with ladder loads PP or GG. I took a forearm off one of the other rifles and used it but only one screw would line up but it was solid. Again no change. There is something going on I just cant put my fingers on. Barrel harmonics??? the way I hold it??? how I rest it???? I checked everything even leaning on a post for a steady off hand shot. Laid the rifle on a sand bad under the lever so nothing is in contact with the barrel. This gave me a 2-3/4" group @200 yards. After marking the target shot again and it turned out a 5" group again. 5" is the average best with this rifle.
The only thing I can think might be giving me fits is, this rifle was build with a single trigger #2 Silhouette and I had a double set milled in. A fine job and I don't see this being a factor.
My next step will be glass bedding all the wood. I free floated the forearm as much as I can putting O rings at the screws to hold the wood away from the barrel and no change.
The next step is extending the chamber to a .45-2.6 maybe it will change the barrel harmonics.

IRR.

I have a friend that has a 73 Springfield floor lamp