PP mould for .45/70

[Ironramrod]

Guys, I've got a good target bullet for my Shiloh .45/70, but I'm interested in a better PP hunting bullet. I'm looking at 2 Accurate moulds on the bottom of p.16, and the left end of the last row. The 2 which have me interested are the 475P and the 500P moulds.

Do any of you guys/gals have any experience w/ either of these bullets; good, bad or otherwise? Thanks for your opinions.

Regards
IR

[Kurt]

I like the shape of the 475P. I would have him make it a .443" diameter and the meplat .18 if he can make it that small. He is a little limited with the tips he can make for some reason. And have that bullet drop out at 510 grains.

Kurt

[Don McDowell]

Just up the page a bit is the 45-405P. I'ld probably just go with that one for a 2.1 in case. Or have him make the same shape in a bit longer bullet if more weight was needed if one were to begin hurling that out of a 2.4 or longer case.
The nose on that is real similar profile to the original sharps bullet.

[Ironramrod]

Guys, thanks for the comments and input on my questions. Good ideas, and they are a real help.

Regards

[Kurt]

I don't know what your intentions are, patching to groove or bore diameter.
I would ask if your planning on patching to bore before you order the mould. Form what I see o the mould specs that they are .45 if that is what he is cutting that mould at you will be patching it to groove diameter.
Unless I don't understand his drawings.

Kurt

[Ironramrod]

Kurt,

That's an excellent question, and I'm not too sure about the measurements on a lot of those bullet diagrams either. I've been shooting bore diam. pp bullets exclusively, when using pp bullets; which is most of the time. There is a spot in the mould ordering section that allows the buyer to specify the desired bullet diameter. However, I agree that a lot of his diagrams are rather hard to decipher (e.g. the .45 that you mention). An email may be in order to clarify the measurements.

Thanks again for a very good question.

Regards
IR

[powderburner]

what ever you get should have an adjustable base on it so you can tailor the bullet to the length you want and change it when you change your mind,

[Ironramrod]

Powderburner, An adjustable base mould has lots of advantages as you mention, but doesn't that then require a nose pour mould? That would in itself be ok, but I definitely want a flat meplat on the nose for hunting. I reaffirmed the flat meplat w/ 2 more deer this year. Is a flat nose available on any nose pour moulds? Just askin'.

I spose' you last ration of smoked slough sharks has long since gone the way of the Great Auk, huh?

Regards
IR

[Don McDowell]

If you would like to try the 44-500 P let me know. That's the patched bullet I had Tom make for shooting semi dirty in the 45-70.

[Kurt]

Ok. Now that you say for a hunting bullet.
My choice for hunting either the 45-475p and the 45-500P would be my choice just the way they are specked out with his drawings.
Here is why I like them as they are specked out. I like a PP bullet patched to groove for hunting. The bullets with that diameter would not quite be ideal for a .45-70 using them for a groove diameter because it would cut down on the powder charge some but for the 2.4 or longer cases in my opinion would make a great bullet.
I like the PP bullet patched to groove in the longer cases for a fast follow up shot if needed. The groove diameter PP bullet can be seated off the throat a few thousands so the fouling in the throat is not a problem that a bore diameter bullet can have.
With a groove diameter bullet patched to .458" pretty much fills the chamber and this helps seal the gas blow by faster then a PP bullet that is patched under bore diameter with in mind that it would chamber in a fouled bore but there is a large gap that it has to seal when it upsets when the charge goes off. Yes the wad stack is supposed to help, but just think for a minute. When you prep your brass for a bore diameter bullet used for hunting you size your case down more to hold that bullet so it don't fall out you might even use a long taper crimp or one of those bushing dies to size your neck down more to hold the bullet. This also sizes the wad down and lets gas get by to cut the patch and the bullet. A groove diameter bullet that is seated at a proper distance off the lands lets you shoot dirty and problems I mentioned wont happen.
Also you can weather proof the patch so you can carry it in a cartridge belt and they can be used in a repeating lever rifle.
The biggest advantage using a groove diameter bullet is the ability to shoot more shots with out using fouling control when you properly seat that bullet in the case. The disadvantage is loss of powder if that is an issue.
A flat point is a very accurate bullet in these powder rifles. As well as a groove diameter patched bullet.

Just my way and it works for me. I don't get locked into doing things just one way.