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RE: BPTR Rifle Suggestions - Rockridge - 09-16-2019
Looking forward to seeing everyone at Byers and continuing this discussion in person!
Ed
Rockridge
RE: BPTR Rifle Suggestions - Don McDowell - 09-16-2019
Sounds like a pretty good crowd coming, and the weather forecast looks pretty decent.
RE: BPTR Rifle Suggestions - Rockridge - 09-16-2019
Last I heard was 27 confirmed attendees.
Ed
Rockridge
RE: BPTR Rifle Suggestions - Don McDowell - 09-17-2019
Yessir, quite a few folks showing up. Weather forecast looking pretty good.
RE: BPTR Rifle Suggestions - Gunlaker - 09-23-2019
I really like my current rifle, which is a Shiloh Long Range Express in .45-90 ( .45-2.4" for the purists ). It's got a 34" heavy barrel with 1:16 twist. MVA Windgage front sight, and an MVA LR Soule on the back. It also has blocks for a 28" MVA scope which is what I used this weekend ( with their Creedmoor rear mount ).
As far as loads, mine is a little lighter than some use. Starline brass annealed pretty soft, CCI BR2, 78gr Swiss 1.5, 0.060" LDPE wad. BACO 458535M1 bullet with 0.001" neck tension.
This rifle and load held better vertical than any rifle I've ever shot previously. I was quite surprised that it did so well with the light charge. I'd say it held half of the vertical than my heavy Borchardt has ever done, and that's a good rifle.
So that's what I'd recommend. If you are a little more recoil tolerant than me, I'd go the same route except with a .45-100.
Chris.
RE: BPTR Rifle Suggestions - desert deuce - 09-23-2019
(09-23-2019, 10:08 AM)Gunlaker Wrote: I really like my current rifle, which is a Shiloh Long Range Express in .45-90 ( .45-2.4" for the purists ). It's got a 34" heavy barrel with 1:16 twist. MVA Windgage front sight, and an MVA LR Soule on the back. It also has blocks for a 28" MVA scope which is what I used this weekend ( with their Creedmoor rear mount ).
As far as loads, mine is a little lighter than some use. Starline brass annealed pretty soft, CCI BR2, 78gr Swiss 1.5, 0.060" LDPE wad. BACO 458535M1 bullet with 0.001" neck tension.
This rifle and load held better vertical than any rifle I've ever shot previously. I was quite surprised that it did so well with the light charge. I'd say it held half of the vertical than my heavy Borchardt has ever done, and that's a good rifle.
So that's what I'd recommend. If you are a little more recoil tolerant than me, I'd go the same route except with a .45-100.
Chris.
Well Chris, using Swiss 1.5 Lot 010.213 at 79 grains and the Baco 459542M3 is one of the best loads I have for vertical at 1,000 in a 45-90. I have found that faster is not always better and that a concept I call a Balanced Load seems to work best under variable conditions. Sounds like you are shooting something very close to a balanced load for that rifle you shot this past weekend at Byers.
RE: BPTR Rifle Suggestions - Kurt - 09-23-2019
Chris I just looked at the overall scores, congratulations you did well !!
A lot push for velocity and for somethings it's not the best way to go. Like the .22 standard velocity rimfire that holds up better when the when the winds kick up over the HV .22's.
Good work Chris..........Kurt
RE: BPTR Rifle Suggestions - Fogman01 - 09-23-2019
I was shooting my 45-100 with 78.5 of Swiss 1.5 at Byers this weekend at 800 and 900 yards. I'd never used it before past 200 yards. It worked real well for me. I didn't use it at 1000 yards because I thought it might too "light" and I had an 87 grain load that works well. But next March at Phoenix I'll save the recoil and powder and go with the lighter load. I think 45-90 would be just fine for the LR game - I'm downloading my 45-100 to well within the 45-90 case capacity. That may be one reason the ODG's went from the 45-100 to the 45-90 - don't need all that powder after all.
RE: BPTR Rifle Suggestions - Gunlaker - 09-24-2019
Thanks everyone. Zack my load is also with 010.213. Sadly I have maybe a can and a bit left. Hopefully the next lot is as good.
Fogman, I'd shot this load a lot at 300 for practice and it produced a couple of ten shot one MOA groups from prone so I was pretty sure it would work. I had time at the tail end of our silhouette match to put some on the 800m gong and it seemed to work really well, but that was the only LR testing. Bryan said that at 900 I had a good string of shots going that only used about 3/4 a minute of vertical, although a fair bit more horizontal :-) :-).
The one thing I noticed about this rifle and load is that it seemed very predictable in the wind. There weren't too many mysteries about where the bullet went as long as I broke the shot well. I'd say that my other long range rifles seem to be less predictable, but this might just be my inexperience at LR.
I definitely learned some more about Creedmoor shooting. One of the more interesting things was something I picked up from Jimbo. I was generally wiping with three damp patches, but when it got hot on the last target of each day the shots would go just a little lower. I switched to 4 damp patches and the shots went back up to where they were before.
The biggest thing I learned was from watching Hugh Wilson ( my super talented spotter ) call the wind. We had a good collaborative system going where we'd discuss what we thought conditions were going to give on each shot. It was much like when Bryan and I shot together at Worland a couple of times. This is also the way my shooting partner and I do it for silhouette. What impressed me though was the subtleties that Hugh was able to pick up. He was able to give me single minute corrections for changes that I didn't see at all. That kept us in the 9 ring for the most part. I'm pretty confident that I have the basics figured out, but shooting with Hugh showed me that I still have a lot to learn.
Chris.
RE: BPTR Rifle Suggestions - Fogman01 - 09-25-2019
Chris,
Hope to see you next year at Byers with your new rifle. Order your new rifle in a caliber you can put that load in! It did seem to work!