KIK powder

[Dave Roelle]

Thanks again for the reminder Don-----------order will go in directly

Dave

[Klaus]

Hi Gents, my opinion here from Germany is that KIK Powder seems to be a very good powder regarding his effectivness on one side and the minor fouling on the the other. I feel ,related to the price as last factor ,it will be the better choice even over the swiss powder!

After shooting a 20 shots string .45-70 loaded with 70grs. KIK FG or 68grs. FFFG without any cleaning between i need 2 dampened patches and one dry only to clean the barrel.

Bullet : Lyman 457125
Lube : Emmerts Nr.1

Tried a new powder last week, it called Huntingpowder Nr.1 ( FG Granulation) produced by Explosia/ Vesuvit at Slovakia
Very chaep (1 Kilo 25 Euros opposide to KIK 1 Kilo for 42 Euros or Swiss for 65 Euros )
Will be in the FG Range but very messy, i need around 6 wet patches to clean the barrel

Will post some pics next time

cheers Klaus

[Dave Roelle]

Hi Klaus:

Thanks for the insight and the powder information.

I agree on the light fouling with KIK------------my issue was lack of accuracy.

I'm sure its a "combination of variables" circumstance----------------

I'll be testing 3 or 4 lubes soon to see if i can find some improvement--------NASA lube will be ordered today

Time for Octoberfest !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dave

[Kurt]

Hey Don:

I've been trying to get KIK to perform for me with at best limited success------------last test was heavily compressed 2f 45/70--------on cleaning the rifle on the bench i found a tan colored fouling seemingly "under" the normal black powder residue-------------took some work and 5 or 6 Windex patches to clear it.

I haven't a clue what it was

Dave

Dave I think that tan fouling sounds like the Windex is giving you some flash rusting from not getting it completely cleaned out before oiling the bore and storing it.
I would not use Windex for cleaning after shooting. Just plain water is enough and it does a good job. If you feel you need to add something to the water use a little Murphy's Oil Soap.
I never see anything but a wet black grease when I push a damp cleaning patch through even when using a blow tube and runing a dry patch through when I want to see if I'm getting enough moisture using the tube.

As far as the lack of accuracy your getting I cant explain that with out using your loads and checking a few things like how the lube is working and looking close to see if any flakes of lead are showing up when using the tube or patching between shots.
When I get accuracy falling off it is usually from lead building up even using a PP bullet that gets nose set back that lets dry lead ahead of the patch come in contact with the bore. If this is going on 5-6 shots and the groups open up.
With the GG, alloy to hard with a slightly undersized bullet gas cuts come into play.

The good accuracy you got using Swiss and the lack of it using KIK I cant explain on what is going on.

I'm very anal when it comes to shooting and when I lost the Goex express powder I went through a lot of powders KIK, Swiss, Wano, Diamond, Schuetzen and I settled on KIK because I got very good results using it.
I had some problems with the 2FG KIK in a early batch in the tin cans with a lot of vertical problems so I used nothing but 1.5 since but the last lot of 2F is shooting very good in everything but the .44-90 BN, so I use 1.5 in it.

Kurt

[Dave Roelle]

Hi Kurt:

Thanks for the insight--------i'm pretty anal about cleaning but it certainly is a possibility----------

Secondary to the KIK discussion, this barrel "leads" with both the Money bullet and Postell with 0.001 or 0.002 bullet to groove interferance fit------------i have run alloys from 15/1 20/1 and 25/1 in both bullets searching for the best combination with no significant change in performance-----perhaps it is a lube difficulty----------both bullets carry enough lube to supply it to the muzzle.

The leading isn't severe enough to cause accuracy problems shooting silhouettes

Shiloh #1 sporter--------1995 vintage-----------i am the second owner, the rifle appeared unfired when i aquired it.


Dave

[Kurt]

Maybe it's just the manor of the beast. They can sure want to make you pull what little hair that is left on the head.
I have a .45/2.4 that likes to test my patience.

Kurt

[Dave Roelle]

Yup i agree

[Don McDowell]

Dave I'ld about bet that if you're getting leading with a postel you got a lube problem.....

[Klaus]

i have no experience with the KIK FFg Powder because it is not available here in Germany at present time!
my favor is the KIK FG and Wano Huntingpowder Nr 1
Both are easy to remove, produce less recoil and give thight groups

Klaus

[Dave Roelle]

Hey Don----------------we will see if NASA will help its in the works now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Klaus:----------KIK testing will continue when the lube testing shows some promise------------so far SWISS 1 1/2 is far and away the best performer for me BUT i'm sure with testing and refinement KIK will perform

I also have some Creedmore slugs comming for testing------------trying new things is a huge part of the fun with BPCR for me at least

Dave