Remington No 1 Creedmoor

[rdnck]

My take is that a 44-77 is a very good long range cartridge in its own right. The 40-85, not so much. Shoot straight, rdnck.

[Don McDowell]

44-77 will do a pretty decent job at long range, one just needs match the bullet length to the rifling twist.

[Fogman01]

NOW, when and where will you attend a mid range target match ?

I will probably check out the matches at the Colorado Rifle Club in Byers, CO. They have mid and long range matches. The range closer to me only has 500 meter silhouette.

[Don McDowell]

There's a 1000 yd match at the CRC on July 9

[bruce moulds]

when you rebarrel, you have the option of matching the rifling twist to the bullet.
in this case the bullet will be 1.55" long, and will require 1:12 twist.
this will do anything a std twist 44/77 can deliver, as it will have higher b.c. bullets delivered with good speeds.
there should also be room in the case for sealing and/or lube wads.
a fast twist 40/72 on steroids. this works, and the bigger version will have a bit more.
of course if you seat the bullet out in the 44/77 to hold more powder, and speed up the twist, things might look different.
stats on fast twist 40s are few and far between, as there are few of them.
however of the few out there, a high percentage of owners are happy with them.
also the few results with 40/85 ballards suggest that they shoot well.
just haven't heard of one of them with a fast twist yet.
keep safe,
bruce.

[Don McDowell]

A shiloh 44-77 with it's 19 inch twist will spit a bullet 1.3 inches long (460ish gr) out the tube at 1325 or better. That makes it quite viable for 1000 yd shooting. Those will alsoshoot 1.35 bullets to 1000 well if there's not much crosswind.
Put a 16 or -17 twist barrel on the 44s and they'll take bullets at 1.4 and longer with ease, and the velocity will still remain at or above 1300.

[bruce moulds]

trouble with that cartridge is it just looks so good.
it also seems incredibly versatile.
I wonder what twist would be required for a 1.5" to 1.55" long bullet.
will do some sums when time permits.how would the 44/77 case capacity compare with the 44/2.6" straight? (kurt? or zack?)
don, your 1300 fps appeals to me. I want 1300 to 1400.
keep safe,
bruce.

[Don McDowell]

Case capacity between the 44-77 and 44-90 st , the 90 has a slight advantage, but that is made up for by the higher pressure developed by the bottleneck.. Yeh I own and shoot both cartridges.

[Kurt]

Bruce
Since you cant get OE I will give you the Swiss 1.5 filling the case completely and secreting it off flush.
The .44-100-2.6 case as fired in my chamber which is very tight and will only except a PP bullet it will hold 102 gr of 1.5 swiss.
The .44-77 unsized will hold 90 gr of 1.5 Swiss flush with the case mouth.
When I breach seat the .44-100 st. I use 100 gr of Swiss 1.5 for the accuracy load the last time I used this powder in this rifle using a 507 gr 1.465" long bullet and I use this in a 1/17 ROT.
The .44-77 has a 1/19 ROT and I use 72 Gr of 2F OE for the accuracy load and I use a PP bullet of the original profile 1.350" long and it weighs 485 gr. and also the same profile original 500 gr 1.410" long with 76 gr or 2F and it will reach 1585 yards.
In the .44-100-2-5/8 Sharps BN 19 ROT my load is 94 gr of 2F OE and a 507 gr 1.465" long elliptical bullet breach seated with the same bullet I use 105 gr or 2F OE with just a .060" cork wad, no lube. the case will hold 107 gr of 1.5 swiss flush with the case mouth.
I have .44's with the 1/19, 1/17 and 1/16 ROT. If I was to make another .44-77 I would use a 1/17 ROT with a standard light 32" barrel. This caliber will reach as far as what your sights will let it shoot sights on center of target. Very good Caliber.
Kurt

[Don McDowell]

I wish more 44-77 shooters would get their rifles out to matches where results are verifiable. It's a very good cartridge and when loaded with good bullets is quite capable of living up to it's original reputation.