who are these guys

[Ironramrod]

I can't speak for Montana, but here in North Dakota we have both ice and water. The water is under the ice (40") except when it is not under the ice. We even have 4 seasons here; there is early winter, then winter, then late winter, and the 4th of July. But that's what makes it clean, and it shakes out a lot of counterfeiters. And it's really windy, too!