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sleepless night
08-06-2016, 09:39 AM,
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RE: sleepless night
On many occasions if the FS would get us in early on some of these 'start ups' we could knock them out quickly! But I believe the general consensus is they'd rather move in 2000 ground troopers and bulldozers to justify their budget!!

Bill Clinton cut their budget drastically in the 90's and they have never recovered. Evidently the trillion dollars we have spent on helping pedophiles and poppy growers in Afghanistan is more important than buying the correct firefighting aircraft to protect our own citizens here. The last job I had before retiring was at USNORTHCOM working with the MAFFS, DOD, and the FS. I was trying to get the MAFFS C-130s to be able to respond to a first use "immediate response" call instead of sitting on the ramp within sight of the fire burning up Colorado Springs and being called as a last resort. That's what happened in the 2012 Waldo Canyon fire. But the next year (I had retired) MAFFS and active duty Chinook helos with water buckets were used right away on the Black Forest Fire. So some improvement on "sooner rather than later".
The FS doctrine is to let the fire burn unless it threatens structures. Then they "shape" the fire to avoid the structures. A fire 'under control' does not mean a fire put out. They do this to allow the dead material from the "Smoky the Bear" days to be burned away and a healthier forest results. That's the theory any way. As soon as the wind changes the theory literally goes up in smoke.
I hope you all are OK. I evacuated my Mom from the Waldo Canyon fire and then the next year evacuated us from the Black Forest fire. Not fun and plenty scary. A few years ago my friend in Durango saved his parents house from the Missionary Ridge fire by using his hay field's 4" sprinkler system to water the house and surrounding property. It worked - an oasis in the midst of charred trees.
Beware the electrical requirements of running any pumps or sprinkler system. The power companies will shut off power and gas to mandatory evac designated areas to prevent further fire danger from damaged lines. That was a problem in the Black Forest fire - the local fire fighters were great but when their water trucks ran out of water they found the wells in the nearby houses were without electricity and couldn't supply additional water. They had to go several miles back to refill their water trucks. In the mean time calls to your Gov might "encourage" him to call up Nat'l Guard resources to use sooner rather than later especially on state and private land. The Guard has a lot of firefighting capability. Have your local firefighters train with the FS so they can become qualified incident commanders and call in air strikes early on other than FS land. You are right to do what you can to take care of your own.
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sleepless night - by Gussy - 07-31-2016, 06:41 PM
RE: sleepless night - by Don McDowell - 07-31-2016, 06:43 PM
RE: sleepless night - by Dan Cash - 08-01-2016, 07:14 AM
RE: sleepless night - by Rowdy Rick - 07-31-2016, 07:25 PM
RE: sleepless night - by Old Jim - 08-01-2016, 10:52 AM
RE: sleepless night - by Gussy - 08-01-2016, 02:08 PM
RE: sleepless night - by Kurt - 08-01-2016, 02:27 PM
RE: sleepless night - by Gussy - 08-01-2016, 03:03 PM
RE: sleepless night - by Don McDowell - 08-01-2016, 11:15 PM
RE: sleepless night - by Rick Mulhern - 08-01-2016, 03:18 PM
RE: sleepless night - by Gussy - 08-01-2016, 03:53 PM
RE: sleepless night - by Lumpy Grits - 08-02-2016, 04:12 PM
RE: sleepless night - by Gussy - 08-02-2016, 06:32 PM
RE: sleepless night - by Fogman01 - 08-06-2016, 09:39 AM
RE: sleepless night - by alfajim - 08-06-2016, 04:07 PM
RE: sleepless night - by Fogman01 - 08-06-2016, 07:03 PM
RE: sleepless night - by alfajim - 08-07-2016, 02:49 AM

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