The Hyde Base Method

[Kenny Wasserburger]

Frank Hyde the famous Long range shooter of the original Creedmoor Era was known to patch his bullets in a certain manner, from several sources I have been able to glean this bit of Information, It seems that Dan Theodore and myself also patch this exact say way. Quite by accident we have only rediscovered what one of the Best long Range BPCR shooters was using.

[Don McDowell]

Interesting on how far from the ogive the patch is stopping.

[Kurt]

That's the way a flat based bullet should be patched, maybe even a smaller bare patch for my liking.
The reason for the cup based bullet is for getting the patch tugged into the cavity like the twisted tail way of patching like they used to do. The "Hide" way of patching a cup based bullet is not the best, it damages the weak skirt. The twisted tail tugged into the cup will protect the skirt. The patch will release from the bullet just as fast either way. Twisting a tail on a flat based bullet will kill all posible accuracy.
As far as how far forward with the patch... that is regulated by the alloy, how far the nose gets set back.

Kurt

[Kenny Wasserburger]

Kurt and Don yeah its well short of the Ogive, recovered bullets show that the bullet upsets too just the top of the patch, with 1-16 alloy, less nose setback, Dan also has found if you patch higher the bullet will still upset too the top of the patch, as has been my experience also. The above bullets were used at Raton this year and Phoenix also. NO LEADING.

Kenny W

[Kurt]

Kenny.

I was just casting bullets and got to thinking about your post. Ya I know I get into trouble when I start thinking
I don't know about this Hyde guy, but if you stop and think, a lot of us shooting these black powder rifles now days have had many more years behind the butplate shooting cartridge rifles shooting patched or lubed bullets than the guys we read about from back then.
When the creedmoor matches where shot back in the 1870's and 80's cartridge rifles were not in use that long yet and they were still picking up better ways of doing things changing from the muzzle loaders to the cartridge rifles.
It's sort of like now days guys that shot high power and now changing over to these black powder cartridge rifles. They are not loaded the same way.

Kurt

[Kurt]

Well that is good Kenny. You have the ballence between the alloy and the place to have the patch.

Kurt

[Don McDowell]

I have messed with the short patch a little bit in the 44 using a 16-1 of sorts alloy, and it definetly showed some promise.
Have a 50 lb box of certified 16-1 now, and sent the Roughrider up to Kirk for the 7* leed treatment... Hopefully there's some decent weather when the gun gets back..

[Kurt]

I placed a very small dimple in the mould .003" ahead of the shank. This is the place where the nose setback stops on those two bullets with the alloy I use.

[Kenny Wasserburger]

Kurt,

your right in a lot of ways, Frank Hyde was a sells person for Sharps, also a damm fine Creedmoor Shooter, in 1878 with his brand new Borchardt he pretty much won everything he entered, the Wimbledon Cup, The Leech Cup, and some big Money matches too. Hell of a long range shooter.

I know, I started shooting my 45-110 in 1994 Sept. It's on Barrel #2 and this one has shot lights out since day one. Both Grease Groove and Paper patch. I had a tight Chamber on the first one and a tight chamber by choice it runs about .4795 and I wish it was more like .476 at the mouth. But it still shoots FL Sized to .476 cases like a charm and very accurately.

So for me in Sept 2013 to win the Scope Class At Raton, and too have won the Scope Class at Phoenix Winter Nationals was a hoot for the 19th year I been knocking around with this old rifle.

While we are now running longer then the original Creedmoor era did, Those boys were pretty sharp using 1-11, 1-14 and 1-16 alloys often listed in the information for long range stuff. If I patch higher on the bullet it will bump up to the top of the patch in 1-16 alloy, for me at least this alloy and the patch height one can control the amount of bullet upset and I think reduce the Nose set back. I wonder how 1-14 will do but am loathe to try it.

I honestly feel that I need more time doping conditions and studying the results and seting the windage closer to center, that means a lot more range time, I feel very little can be done to improve on this load.

Don Give it a whirl you never know what you might learn.

Kenny W.
The Lunger

[Don McDowell]

Kenny that try it and learn bit is a good way to go. Sometimes we learn something don't work worth a flip, other times it really shines.
I don't have guts enough to pock a mould cavity like Kurt did to mark the patch height yet.