45-90

[Don McDowell]

It's been raining, so I decided to give the Browning with the Oregon barrel a run. I hadn't been able to shoot it since the replacement buttstock came.
Loaded up 10 rounds each of thee BACO .446 525 gr money bullet, wet patched with Seth Cole 55w patches 7/8 in wide. 82 gr. OE 1 1/2 in Jamison cases, rp 9 1/2 primer, .060 walters wad and the 44/45 caliber Muzzleloader original felt wad, and every thing the same with 84 gr. 1 1/2 OE .


Wind was blowing mostly quartering head on, but sometimes not at 10-15 mph. Shots on the extreme right side (lots of vertical) was the 82 gr loads.
Then we switched to the 84 gr, cranked a couple minutes left wind in and went to work.

[Gunlaker]

Don about how deep are you seating those bullets? I've got to play a little more with the felt wads again, if the rain ever stops here...

It looks like the OE 1.5 is working pretty well for you.

Chris.

[Don McDowell]

Chris, I haven't measured it, but they are deep. This rifle has a fairly tight bore, so in order to get them to chamber seating deep is the order of the day..So far it has really shown it absolutely won't shoot with .444 bullets, but likes this .446. Odd that it will shoot greasers well tho. It is chambered with Eron's reamer.
I hope to get some time to go back and revisit a load in the 44-77 using just the felt wad. Hope to also resist this combo in the 90 with jojoba oil on the exposed patch, sometimes there's no difference other times it is a real group tightner.
OE 1 1/2 seems to be a very versatile powder in a number of cartridges.

[Lumpy Grits]

What was the distance?
Do you have any 'E' 2F? If so, give it a try.......
Gary

[Don McDowell]

300 yds.
Have lots of 2f, but the 1 1/2 works much better in the 90's

[Lumpy Grits]

Weird-I tried 'E' 1.5 in my Shiloh .45-70 and .45-90.
In both cases the 'E' 2F shot better and with less foul'n issues.
Could this be a BBl & chamber deal maybe.
I was using GG bullets.
G.

[Kurt]

I don't get the results using 1.5 E either Gary, even in the .50.
Yesterday I made a trip up to Wisconsin Rapids, Wis. to do some shooting with a few guys from the 300 and 600 yard line just for fun getting sight settings and testing loads. The last three shots fired with the 90 and 2F OE put two holes in the spotter with the spotter in the second hole. They where less then 2" for the three shots. Even at 600 once I got on paper the vertical was only 2".
I didn't correct for the lite switching conditions, it was very calm. I was just interested in the vertical for the .45-90 loads and the .45-70.
Kurt

[Lumpy Grits]

Kurt-Have you tried the coffee filter paper over the primer hole?
I found that the 'E' 2F wasn't bad on the V, till the air temp was about 85* or more.
Near 100* is was very noticeable.
Once I started adding that 'wad' over the primer. I can't see in diff in V from 30* to 105* air temp.
I run 83gn of the 2F in my '90 push'n a PJ C'moor GG at 30:1. My MV is 1355fps with an ES of 8, for 10 shots.
G.

[Gunlaker]

I've had good results with OE 1.5 in greasers, but am convinced that for patched bullets that my Swiss loads are working just a little better. But I have put more work into them.

I like OE 1.5 quite a bit. I recently tested my old Shiloh LRE in .45-70 with 70gr of OE 1.5 and the Baco 459530m4 bullet which seats way out. It shot well at just under 800 yards but not quite as well at 900. It wasn't nearly as clean as my OE 1.5 load in the .40-65, but I might try a little compression. It's only about 0.1" at the moment. The velocity was even higher than I expected, and I've been playing with this stuff for a while.

Chris.

[Kurt]

Yes Gary I have. Under the powder and in the primer pockets.
I don't pull the breach block to often to give the action a good cleaning. One day I pulled the block and I found these little nicks around where the primer cups edge would be. I put it under a microscope to get a good look and I could see melted swirls like gas cuts on bullets. I pulled all the blocks from my Shiloh's and found a second block with those cuts and that was also uses with paper under the powder.
Now this was when I used Goex with heavy compression. If the hard compression held the gasses back to make them blow by the primer cups I don't know.
I know your going to ask where the primer pockets loose no I still use the same brass.
I quit doing the paper thing. All in all I don't think it has anything to do with the accuracy using them.