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RE: .44-77 PP bullets. - Distant Thunder - 04-04-2020
I cut a lot of trees and I had a Shindaiwa that I bought from my local small engine place. It was a good saw, not too heavy and did everything I asked of it. About three years ago I was cutting a dead tree and got the bugger hung up in another tree. While fiddling around trying to get the tree I had cut to roll off the tree it was hung in I got the darn saw stuck! It wasn't going well that morning.
Working with my chainsaw I got the tree to start to fall again, that's about the time the poop hit the fan! The dead tree instead of just rolling off the other tree pinched my saw as it was coming down. I tried to pull the saw free, but things were moving pretty fast and I decided the saw wasn't worth dying over and I back peddled out of there. The dead tree broke free of the stump and my saw dropped down and rolled up against the side of the stump. The dead tree sprang back off the branches of the other tree with a good deal of force and the butt end smashed into the saw and drove hard into the corner between the frozen ground and the stump.
There were a lot of pieces scattered around in the snow and my saw was bend in such a way that I knew at a glance it had run it's last.
I walked back to the house and told my wife, "I think I'm going to need a new chainsaw!". She just rolled her eyes and ask how long did that one last? I had to look it up, but I had run that Shindaiwa for 22 years! It was a good saw. I went back to the same small engine place and bought a new Stihl chainsaw. As I left I told the guy, "I hope this one last longer than that last one I bought from you!".
I've seen some unbelievable things happen when falling trees over the past 45 years. I always plan and clear my escape route before I start to fall a tree, you just never know what to expect. I have been knocked off my feet a couple of time as a tree will suddenly bounce or deflect of another tree and change directions, swinging the end with a lot of force. Sometimes you only have enough time to turn and take the hit in a way that will hurt the least. I've been lucky, I know a lot of guys who weren't. I never take for granted that a tree is going to fall exactly as planned, most do, some don't.
RE: .44-77 PP bullets. - Distant Thunder - 04-04-2020
Gavin,
Good question. That's kind of what I'm wondering. In my .45-70, .45-90 and .40-65 I have always seated pretty shallow. Pictures I have seen of original .44-77 and .44-90 cartridges with the bullets pulled and not pulled seem to show that the bullets were seat fairly deep in the case, .200-.500".
Both Don and Kurt said they seat theirs .250" plus or minus depending. In my .45-70 and .40-65 seating shallow gives more much wanted powder capacity. In my .45-90 I would have liked a little less powder capacity, but seated shallow for accuracy reasons and because I was told that was the way to do it. It worked so I never tried anything else.
I do seat my PPB fairly deep in my .50-70 and it shoots well like that.
RE: .44-77 PP bullets. - Kurt - 04-04-2020
I used the Echo's. One small bar 18" and a 36" around 80 CC. That saw had a 40 chisel chain that would cover my feet with chips in a hurry. That saw cut some big maples that needed a double cut to lay them down. Sold that saw to a local tree trimmer and kept the small one but the handle broke and no replacements anymore. I don't burn wood anymore except in the outside fire pit.
I just took this Poulan and heaved it as far as I can throw it in the yard. It will go in the scrap pile tomorrow. I just don't have any use for that king of garbage.
Sam, I keep the powder and wads up in the neck compress it around .200" or so and I do the same with the .44-90 bn. Both of these calibers and I have them in the 16, and 17 twist along with the 19 twist. the 17 and the 19 twists with both calibers seem to shoot better than the 16 for some reason, but the 16 twist has a very deep groove and I had the barrel maker replace it but later I asked to buy it back and I worked with it lapping it with some 80 grid valve grinding compound and finishing it with 800. It improver it but never to what the good barrels do.
The bottle necked seem to shoot better with a little compression than heavy shooting ladder loads.
Both of my .44-77's, one has a 19 twist and the other has a 17 twist, both have a standard chamber with a long funnel throat and will except a gg if I want to use one,
RE: .44-77 PP bullets. - Distant Thunder - 04-04-2020
Sam,
Sorry, I got confused somewhere along the line and thought it was JB that was replying to. I've been reading too many threads lately I guess! Not a first time I'm sure.
RE: .44-77 PP bullets. - Don McDowell - 04-04-2020
Can't say for certain, but I do think that outfit in Nebraska that I got the 45-90 brass from a while back, may be tooling up to make brass. i suggested to the fella I was communicating with that there is still plenty of demand for the odd ball brass we use, and he agreed...
Time will tell I suppose.
Kurt chainsaws are like soul sights , buy once never shed a tear after you write the check , Stihl farm boss....
RE: .44-77 PP bullets. - Distant Thunder - 04-04-2020
I still have the 1973 vintage Partner chainsaw I bought second hand after piece cutting all one summer to make enough money to pay for it. I still use it on occasion, it's a heavy beast compared to the poor deceased Shindaiwa and this new Stihl. The Stihl has proved to be a good saw, it starts cold easy every time, but once it's warmed up if I shut it off or run out of gas I haven't figured out how to restart it easily.
Yesterday I got a little upset with it after running out of gas and the bugger won't start! I picked it up and threw it in a brush pile! We later kissed and made up and it started just fine for me.
When it ran out of gas again I just said the heck with it and headed back to the house for lunch. After two tanks of gas in the chainsaw I'm running out of gas myself these days!
RE: .44-77 PP bullets. - Don McDowell - 04-04-2020
I like my Stihls. I have a poulon that ever since it was new won't start unless you hit it with some either, and if you shut it off or it quits before you're done, your just screwed.. Hard on chains and bars to.
RE: .44-77 PP bullets. - J.B. - 04-05-2020
Actually Jim, I was curious as to what question I'd asked... as I've asked quite a few. Either way it was an interesting question. I've not seen one of the Remington Special long range cartridges to make a comparison and most 44/77 originals I've seen photos of...look relatively deep seated compared to the long range 45 cartridges. I did see one photo of a 520 gn bullet in a 44/90 bn..and that looked to be a fairly shallow seating depth. I gather Remington was the only one to load the heavier bullets in the 44 x 2 1/4"...and they called it the 44S. Now I'm a big fan of the .44 Special.. but its a might small for this rifle. ... Recoil would be down though
RE: .44-77 PP bullets. - Distant Thunder - 04-10-2020
I am continuing to play with bullets for a rifle I don't have, it's about all I can do at this time.
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So these two bullets are (left) BACO 431ADT at 1.420" long and 520 grains, (right) my version ODG bullet (copied from my .40 caliber bullet) at 1.440" long and 530 grains both bullets are seated in the case ~ 3/8". They have been sized to .4375" after patching. The cases are made from .300 Win. Mag brass. This brass has somewhat thicker necks as converted and are a nice slip fit on the .4375" bullets when fire formed and unsized.
Figuring just a .060" wad these would seat over 80.0 + grains of Swiss 1 1/2 with about .150" compression. I haven't actually loaded any because I don't have my rifle yet so I am just getting a feel for what will likely fit using what I have now. I have done pretty good at not loading up a bunch of ammo that won't fit my rifle, but I still have to think through what I will be working with when it does get here.
Now that the governor of Montana has extended the stay at home order until the 24th of April it could be a while longer before I can start loading for real. I'm thinking that the country is going to be more than ready to move forward again by the end of April and it will be hard and devastating economically to continue to hold the lid down on us after that. So just maybe I'll have a birthday present coming from Shiloh in June, maybe. I do believe I'll be ready, more than ready, by then!
RE: .44-77 PP bullets. - Don McDowell - 04-10-2020
I would about bet those will chamber just fine
But it will be good to have the rifle in hand before loading any more